About us
"Wisdom and Woe" is a philosophy and literature discussion group dedicated to exploring the world, work, life, and times of Herman Melville and the 19th century Romantic movement. We will read and discuss topics related to:
- Works of Herman Melville: Moby-Dick, Clarel, Bartleby the Scrivener, Billy Budd, The Confidence-Man, Mardi, reviews, correspondence, etc.
- Themes and affinities: whales, cannibals, shipwrecks, theodicy, narcissism, exile, freedom, slavery, redemption, democracy, law, orientalism, Zoroastrianism, Gnosticism, psychology, mythology, etc.
- Influences and sources: the Bible, Shakespeare, Hawthorne, Milton, Cervantes, Dante, Emerson, Kant, Plato, Romanticism, Stoicism, etc.
- Legacy and impact: adaptations, derivations, artworks, analysis, criticism, etc.
- And more
The group is free and open to anybody with an interest in learning and growing by "diving deeper" (as Hawthorne once said of his conversations with Melville) into "time and eternity, things of this world and of the next, and books, and publishers, and all possible and impossible matters."
Regarding the name of the group:
"There is a wisdom that is woe; but there is a woe that is madness. And there is a Catskill eagle in some souls that can alike dive down into the blackest gorges, and soar out of them again and become invisible in the sunny spaces."
(Moby-Dick, 96)
"Though wisdom be wedded to woe, though the way thereto is by tears, yet all ends in a shout." (Mardi, 2.79)
"The intensest light of reason and revelation combined, can not shed such blazonings upon the deeper truths in man, as will sometimes proceed from his own profoundest gloom. Utter darkness is then his light.... Wherefore is it, that not to know Gloom and Grief is not to know aught that an heroic man should learn?" (The Ambiguities, 9.3)
"The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth." (Ecclesiastes 7:4)
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[Series] In the Belly of the Whale
NOTE: This page is intended as a thematic overview of the meetups in the series, but is not itself a meetup. To RSVP, please see the individual events as they are announced on the Wisdom and Woe calendar. This page will be updated regularly to reflect changes to the schedule.
Myths across times and cultures often involve similar narrative features. One such feature is a protagonist who survives death--frequently depicted as being swallowed by a whale or dragon, or making a descent into hell or the underworld--before victoriously re-emerging into the sunlit realm.
In Jungian theory, these stories are not mere amusements, but symbolic representations of psychological processes. The temporary defeat and subsequent revival of the protagonist (part of what Joseph Campbell terms "the hero's journey") is thought to dramatically portray the universal struggle for self-actualization. Even the modern notion of depression (lit. "press down") retains a hint of underworld visitation. For the Biblical Jonah, the belly of the whale marks the turning point from a rebellion against God to a rebellion against ungodliness.
For this series, we will explore cetacean spelunkers and gastronauts: ancient and modern, literal and metaphorical, realistic and fantastic, sublime and ridiculous--and their relationship to despair and overcoming.
Series schedule:
- Pinocchio - Carlo Collodi - 1/25
- The Swallowed Man - Edward Carey - 2/1
- Redburn: His First Voyage - Herman Melville - 2/8, 2/15, 2/22
- Symbols of the Mother and of Rebirth - Carl Jung - 3/1
- The Book of Jonah - 3/8
- The Dark Night - St. John of the Cross - 3/15
- A Narrative of Captivity - Ethan Allen - 3/22
- The Age of Reason - Thomas Paine - 3/29, 4/5
- Israel Potter: His Fifty Years of Exile - Herman Melville - 4/12, 4/19
- Peleg Nye: The Jonah of Cape Cod - Nils Bockmann - 4/26
- [Movie] Last Breath + Jonah and the Whale - 5/3
- Whalefall - Daniel Kraus - 5/10
- Melville's Moby-Dick: An American Nekyia - Edward F. Edinger - 5/17
- A True History - Lucian of Samosata - 5/21 [Thu]
- [Author Event] Inside the Whale - Joseph G. Peterson - 5/24
- The Surprising Adventures of Baron Munchausen - Rudolph Erich Raspe - 5/31
- Cat's Cradle - Kurt Vonnegut - 6/7
- [Movie] Children of the Sea - 6/14
- Childhood's End - Arthur C. Clarke - 6/21
Supplemental:
- The Mariner's Revenge Song song by The Decemberists
- Swallowed Up (In the Belly of the Whale) song by Bruce Springstein
- Malm Whale lounge in Sweden
- Marlin and Dory inside the whale scene from Finding Nemo (2003)
Extracts:
- "The ribs and terrors in the whale, / Arched over me a dismal gloom, / While all God’s sun-lit waves rolled by, / And lift me deepening down to doom." (Moby-Dick, 9)
- "Now, art thou the man to pitch a harpoon down a live whale's throat, and then jump after it? Answer, quick!" "I am, sir, if it should be positively indispensable to do so..." (Moby-Dick, 16)
- "The sea had jeeringly kept his finite body up, but drowned the infinite of his soul. Not drowned entirely, though. Rather carried down alive to wondrous depths, where strange shapes of the unwarped primal world glided to and fro before his passive eyes; and the miser-merman, Wisdom, revealed his hoarded heaps; and among the joyous, heartless, ever-juvenile eternities, Pip saw the multitudinous, God-omnipresent, coral insects, that out of the firmament of waters heaved the colossal orbs. He saw God’s foot upon the treadle of the loom, and spoke it; and therefore his shipmates called him mad. So man’s insanity is heaven’s sense; and wandering from all mortal reason, man comes at last to that celestial thought, which, to reason, is absurd and frantic; and weal or woe, feels then uncompromised, indifferent as his God." (Moby-Dick, 93)
Upcoming events
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Melville's Moby-Dick: An American Nekyia - Edward Edinger
·OnlineOnlineThe great American novel Moby-Dick describes symbolically Herman Melville's stormy spiritual voyage. It is also a profound expression of Western civilization in transition. Edward Edinger approaches Moby-Dick as a psychological document, a symbolic record of an intense inner experience which, like a dream, needs interpretation and elaboration of its images for their meaning to emerge fully. Central to Edinger's penetrating commentary is the concept of nekyia, signifying a descent to the underworld -- that is, an encounter with the unconscious. Thus, the subtitle of this work underscores the correspondence between the deep internal struggle from which Melville's masterpiece emerged and the hidden complexities within us all.
Melville's Moby-Dick: An American Nekyia
Supplemental:
- Individuation: A Myth for Modern Man lecture by Edward Edinger
This meetup is part of the series In the Belly of the Whale.
18 attendees
A True History - Lucian
·OnlineOnlineThe protagonists in Lucian's ironically-titled True History (2nd century AD) visit a city with rainbow walls, discover a sea of milk supporting an island of cheese, take a trip to the Moon, and get themselves swallowed by a 200-mile-long giant whale (whose belly is populated by a society of fish people).
But in case there is any doubt, the introduction of the book openly confesses that these are all lies. Lucian's "history" is, in fact, a satire of authors who embellish their accounts with outlandish people, places, and events. Among his targets are Homer and Herodotus (making cameo appearances). His irreverent attitude towards the Greek pantheon earned him a reputation as an atheist. When the book abruptly ends, Lucian promises that the heroes' travels will continue in future books (another lie).
True History established the model for all subsequent fantastical travelogues: from Rabelais to de Bergerac, Swift, Melville, and beyond. For its off-world adventures, it is often considered one of the (if not the) earliest surviving examples of science fiction in the Western world, for which Lucian has been deemed "the first of the moderns." If more absurdist than scientific (and therefore less "modern"), it has nevertheless endured as a timeless classic.
True History Decrypted (full text and commentary):
Trips to the Moon:
- Kindle
- Gutenberg (illustrated)
- Google books (illustrated)
- Librivox (#04 & #05) 1h30m
Supplemental:
Extracts:
- “Scarcely had we proceeded two days on the sea, when about sunrise a great many Whales and other monsters of the sea, appeared. Among the former, one was of a most monstrous size. * * * This came towards us, open-mouthed, raising the waves on all sides, and beating the sea before him into a foam.” Tooke’s Lucian. “The True History.” (Moby-Dick, Extracts)
- "SIR:—You are a swindler. Upon the pretense of writing a popular novel for us, you have been receiving cash advances from us, while passing through our press the sheets of a blasphemous rhapsody, filched from the vile Atheists, Lucian and Voltaire." (Pierre, 26.4)
- "...a good-natured English clergyman translated Lucian; another, equally good-natured, wrote Tristam Shandy; and a third, an ill-natured appreciator of good-natured Rabelais, died a dean; not to speak of others. Thus ingenious and ingenuous are some of the English clergy." (Israel Potter, 13)
- "I have long been of opinion that these classics are the bane of colleges; for...where will one find views so injurious to human nature as in Thucydides, Juvenal, Lucian, but more particularly Tacitus?" (Confidence-Man, 5)
This meetup is part of a series In the Belly of the Whale.
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[Author Event] Inside the Whale - Joseph G. Peterson
·OnlineOnlineInside the Whale (Joseph G. Peterson, 2011) is a modern narrative poem that tells the tragic, mythic story of an artist struggling with alcoholism, guilt, and self-destructive behavior.
It follows the life of Jim O'Connor, an Irishman and aspiring poet in Chicago. He is haunted by the memory his ex-girlfriend, Anne, who was killed in a car crash while Jim was driving while intoxicated.
The story is presented in stanzas that shift between third and first-person accounts, incorporating many of Jim's own poems. It is framed in the spirit of Beowulf, imagining a bardic drone recounting the story to a group of ruffians.
It has been described as a "beautifully haunting, fascinating, and unique novel"; "infused with spirit, heart and awe"; and features nods to Moby-Dick.
For this meetup, we will be joined by the author for a discussion about his book.
Note: This meetup will be recorded.
Inside the Whale:
Supplemental:
- This Podcast Will Change Your Life Interview with the author
- Joseph G. Peterson website
- Joseph G. Peterson on IndieBound
- Joseph G. Peterson on Amazon
- Joseph G. Peterson on Wiki
- Joseph G. Peterson on Goodreads
Extracts:
- "But, alas for the man-of-war's-man, who, though he may take a Hannibal oath against the service; yet, cruise after cruise, and after forswearing it again and again, he is driven back to the spirit-tub and the gun-deck by his old hereditary foe, the ever-devilish god of grog." (White-Jacket, 91)
This meetup is part of the series In the Belly of the Whale.
13 attendees
The Surprising Adventures of Baron Munchausen - Rudolph Erich Raspe
·OnlineOnlineAfter serving with the Russian army, Baron Münchhausen (1720-1797) retired to his country estate in Hanover, where he gained a reputation as a raconteur of extraordinary tales about his life as a soldier, hunter, and sportsman.
It was Rudolf Erich Raspe, however, who made Münchhausen's name legendary as a braggadocio artist. In 1781, he began to publish satirical anecdotes based on the character. In subsequent years, the tales grew taller and more numerous to meet their booming demand. Among the impossible feats attributed to Münchhausen: riding on a cannonball, fighting a forty-foot crocodile, travelling to the Moon, and being swallowed by a whale.
Today, the fictional Baron is known as a "comic giant" of literature, whose stories celebrate the "splendid, purposeless lie[s] born of the joy of life." He has been adapted countless times for stage, radio, and film; influenced the literature of Jules Verne and Herman Melville; been monumentalized in statues, museums, and philosophy discussions; and become a byword in psychology and mathematics.
The real-life Münchhausen, however, was so ashamed of his newfound notoriety that he turned recluse, refusing to host further parties or tell any more stories. For his part, Raspe had published the Adventures anonymously, probably to escape libel charges.
The Surprising Adventures of Baron Munchausen:
- Kindle
- Gutenberg
- Google books
- Librivox 4h45m
Supplemental:
- The Fabulous Baron Munchuasen 1962 movie
- Sea Monster Attacks 1988 movie clip from "The Adventures of Baron Munchausen"
Extracts:
- "... few skeptics are travelers; fewer travelers liars, though the proverb respecting them lies. It is false, as some say, that Bruce was cousin-german to Baron Munchausen; but true, as Bruce said, that the Abysinnians cut live steaks from their cattle." (Mardi, 1.98)
- "With all the ease of a Prince of the Blood gallantly testifying in behalf of an indiscreet lady the Marquis incontinently fibs, laying the cornerstone of a Munchausen fable..." ("Marquis de Grandvin at the Hostelry")
This meetup is part of the series In the Belly of the Whale.
8 attendees
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